Sunday, May 01, 2005

16. CHAMPIONS!!!

Chelsea...2004/05 EPL Champions...'Nuff said

12 comments:

oliver said...

99% new players bought with russian billions... is this Chelsea still? Should change name while they are at it. 'Nuff said.

joe said...

Hmmm good argument, just like how it cost Arsene Wenger 1.99 to set up his team, or how Fergusen bought his players 3 for ten pounds at a discount shop...? And while we're at it, is the team u support Arsenal a real English team anyway? Always thought they were playing in the French league...

oliver said...

well i never said i support them coz they're english... btw, i don't really understand how you can support a team in the first place when they change players and managers on a yearly basis. What's left top support? The name? The city where the club is from? What connection do you have to a team in England?

If Henry and Ljungberg were to leave Arsenal it just wouldn't be the same anymore. At the end of the day we support the players don't we? What do we gain from suporting the club itself? It's not like we own any shares or you Chelsea fans get any of the RM30 million a year Mourinho makes.

Setan Merah said...

Hey man whatever said and done the better team won the EPL this year. Say what you want, the EPL has changed forever. Gone are the days of EPL teams being owned and managed by englishmen. Its a rarity to have an englishmen in the team of a premiership these days. Its a shame, but what to do thats how the game is played these days...

joe said...

fair comments...i think it's a moot point to continue to argue about the merits of supporting a football team even though you don't come from the surrounding area...i mean, it is possible that millions of brazilian fans not from brazil are all just plain idiots right for supporting a country they weren't born in? and sure, we shouldn't even support the American film industry 'cos we're not from there? maybe there's a valid point on supporting the player...just like how we should support a politician who changes parties...big deal about what the party stands for or what it's ideals are...let's support the politician instead even though he's changed sides? yup, very valid point...but i dunno...somehow it eludes me at this moment...and the one about teams being owned and managed by englishmen? that sounds dangerously close to xenophobia to me you know...football's a universal game...and while it is admittedly a sad fact, the most successful managers out there are not from england...owned by englishmen? coming from a man u team that's about to be bought up by malcolm glazer, that's really ironic eh...

Setan Merah said...

Speaking bout Glazer....well if you ask me i think he is a total wanker... but who are we to complain... we are mere fans. the boards of clubs make all the decisions. they say they act in the best interest of the Club. most of the time they forget that they are football clubs... it should not be all about making profits... It should be about the beautiful game... but i guess the more money you have, the more championships you can win... =)

oliver said...

We could discuss this for eons... but let me just comment on your hollywood comparison.. I certainly don't watch a movie because it's made by universal, paramount, or miramax etc.. i watch it because of the actors and the story, not because of the club.. oops, i mean the production company.

joe said...

I actually meant that comment in the context that why would should we watch Hollywood movies because we're not Americans (basing it on your earlier rationale that we don't have any valid reasons for supporting a club that is based in England). The whole argument is self-defeating actually. I think people will support a team because of the way they play, or what they have been associated with historically and in the present. It doesn't mean that you need to have a geographical or historical connection or anything. Well, that's my point anyway, maybe one day you can visit Thailand and ask why Liverpool are so popular there, 'cause the last time I checked, Bangkok and Scouse couldn't be more far apart.

oliver said...

Well i just believe that if Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool etc were all in lets say division 8 instead, how many would support them then. Hey if you support the club you support the club.. no matter what... i dont see any winchesterfield fans around though... You know it's just like why Beckham is so popular.. its all glam, celeb craze shit going on... Now leave it at that Joe.. enuff lah! Comment no more! :)

joe said...

I think there are certain factors which compel people to support a club/football team. Amongst them are history, prestige, the name, etc. So when you bring up division 8 teams that don't get any form of exposure other than in the province/city they play in and ask why they are not well supported then I'd just have to say...?

oliver said...

I do wonder tho if chelsea would drop to division 8.. unlikely yes but would you still support them.. or rather do you think most current fans would give a shit about them. Joe E N U F F ! You may be a true fan.. you love the history of the club etc but how many actually do.. i bet there are suddenly an increase in the Real Madrid fan pool after Beckham joined...

joe said...

I think most fans are loyal when it comes down to supporting their favourite teams. Let me cite Tommy as a particular example. He was supporting Crystal Palace for years (from the time they were languishing in the 1st and 2nd division till now when they've been relegated from the EPL). Of course there are so-called fans out there who jump ship depending on who's hot and who's not, but those people can't really call themselves true fans.